2002-10-06 SvsG emails

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17:15 from Nick

Message-ID: <3DA0A808.2040402spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:15:52 -0400
From: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
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To: team-2020-09-30-15:32-spam@vbzspam.net
Subject: J&J

thejandj.com is back online, finally (ball was in my court after dedserv was set up -- but there's been more than enough to keep me busy on that front).

Assuming we're still working together after The Conference, I see oppportunities here.

1. Bill them for hosting. And/Or...
2. Make money selling web/e-commerce services to their clients -- we'd need to get something of value from them (like a mailing list, or advertising on their web site) to make it worth hosting them (J&J) for free, but it seems like a possibility.

With the dedserv, we can now offer solid web hosting at decent prices and still make a few $ (not piles, but a small steady stream with minimal cost/effort for us; that's the way to get back in the black IMHO). Best way to go is probably to bundle hosting in with design, i.e. we come up with some packages at various prices, B can do the artwork and I'll do the layout.

I'm not sure what they'd need in the way of e-commerce, since most of what folks are selling is one-off type stuff, but who knows.

Ideas solicited at this point; we'll work out details later.

(Haven't had a chance to do anything with ETP yet.)

Thanks,

N.

17:31 from Bubba

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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:31:49 -0400
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To: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Order]
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N., it shipped yesterday evening. I'd just gotten the $15 neededto ship yesterday. I've got the receipt in my pocket. I did tell you last night that it shipped but w/all on your mind you probably didn't hear me.

B.

18:58 from Nick

Notes

At the end, where I say "For the record, I still don't have Lynne's figurings" reminds me now (2007-02-19) that Lynne had promised to have copies of her figurings on my bed for us to discuss, presumably by the time I arrived there ("I understood they would be in here on my original ETA, Tuesday"). Not sure if this was agreed on via email or phone, but I suspect the latter, hence the lack of record of said agreement. As usual.

I never received any copy of any of Lynne's figurings on anything, to the best of my recollection.

Message

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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 18:58:54 -0400
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Subject: hello, hornets...

Well, nothing seems to be happening with the meeting, so I thought I'd try waving a red cape or two and see what happens...

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1) RH bank acccount balance is now -$146.75, on its way down further:

-$146.75 current balance
-$  7.95 unknown
-$ 59.95 dedicated server hosting
-$ 60.00 NSFs (anticipated)
=======
-$274.65

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2. Adding in only the NSFs (I'm assuming the $7.95 is a RH charge, though I'm not sure what it would be), the RDA now owes RH:

July 1 Freeze:

$ 89.88 if NSFs can be averted
$149.88 if NSFs happen

June 1 Freeze:

$816.01 if NSFs can be averted
$876.01 if NSFs happen

I recommend at least $300-$350 to avert any further NSFs until the order deposits start coming in (expected early this week). $350 would seem highly appropriate (see #3).

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3. A Stern Reminder: even if it turns out that RH did actually owe RDA the $350 which started this whole mess, there was no excuse taking it out when we had not agreed that RH owed it, and _absolutely_ no excuse not putting it back (or at least apologizing for not being able to put it back and working out a plan to deal with the resulting mess) when I made it known that I believed the debt went in the other direction.

This is not, I repeat not, a reasonable way to do business with someone. Especially not a friend.

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4. To further reduce the quantity of unknowns in our negotiations, I did some quick'n'dirty figuring of what RDA's share of profits would be since June 1, just based on deposits and debits from the RH account.

In order to avoid confusion about the figuring, here is a little background:

To reiterate the standard RH artist agreement (to which the terms I gave the RDA were identical, with one significant enhancement):

For each order payment deposited:

  • 20% of gross sale is retained by RH
  • 80% of gross sale goes to client, i.e. in this case RDA
  • client provides merchandise
  • RH retains shipping charges and provides shipping

...where "gross sale" means the actual amount submitted for deposit -- e.g. if we sell something for $10 but have to give a 10% discount for slow delivery, the gross sale is $9. Refunds are treated as negative sales.

The deposits (upon which my q&d figuring is based) are, for credit card sales, about 3% less than the gross amount. (They would be the actual amount for checks & MOs.)

RDA was given a special deal wherein RH loaned RDA the money to buy the merchandise as needed, with the hope that this would help the RDA to pay back its then-existing Nick/RH loan of approximately $3k (itemization available). So each wholesale purchase paid for by RH is an additional debt incurred by RDA on this account (which I'm calling the "sales account"). (I'm not counting these as part of the "freeze" figures; the "freeze" is just for money borrowed directly by the RDA -- check card usages, checks written on RDA's behalf, etc. -- less amounts paid back directly.)

Note: The merchandise still belonged (belongs) to RDA, and RDA was (is) still responsible for its upkeep -- storage, security, taxes, etc. RH provided space for storage at no cost (up to the point where we moved the merch to Hull Rd. after the burglary). There were no specific terms covering the expense of this storage, and no guarantees of security were made; it was a temporary arrangement.

We also agreed that no cash disbursals from sales could occur (even if RDA's debt was entirely paid off) until RH had the cash to spare. I'm quite sure I made a point of mentioning this, but in any case it should be obvious; can't get water from dry well.

Anyway, what I found was that the RDA's sales account with RH has a net loss of $206.36 since June 1. This means that RH spent $206.36 more, purchasing merchandise for the RDA, than the RDA would have gained from its 80% of the returns from sales.

In other words, even if you figure in sales since June 1, RDA *still* owes RH. In fact, it owes $206.36 more, if we were to settle up for the merchandise.

(I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking the RDA to find a way to get the RH bank account out of the trouble they got it into. We'll settle up later.)

I should add that there are probably some months where RDA's sales balance was positive, and may have even posted some gains against their initial debt to RH; this balance, if it (still) exists, can start being disbursed when RH has enough money in its bank account to continue operating in a reasonable manner (as deter mined by its financial officer(s)) once such disbursals are made. I look forward to that happening. It certainly can't happen when RH's balance is negative.

Guess that's all for now... and that's the bulk of my agenda for this meeting, too.

For the record, I still don't have Lynne's figurings. I understood they would be in here on my original ETA, Tuesday, since she couldn't email them to me.

TTY soon,

N.

19:49 from Bubba

Notes

Not sure why Bubba is apparently clueless about the escalating level of financially-related tension between myself and Lynne, given his small-kangaroo-in-her-pouch act just the week before, not to mention my "Hello, hornets" message less than an hour earlier. Perhaps a case of "we're perfectly calm here; you're the only one who's upset"?

Message

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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:38:43 -0400
From: Bubba <b-2020-09-30-15:32-spam@vbzspam.net>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530
To: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Subject: Re: J&J
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N. Staddon wrote:

thejandj.com is back online, finally (ball was in my court after dedserv was set up -- but there's been more than enough to keep me busy on that front).

Assuming we're still working together after The Conference, I see oppportunities here.

1. Bill them for hosting. And/Or...
2. Make money selling web/e-commerce services to their clients -- we'd need to get something of value from them (like a mailing list, or advertising on their web site) to make it worth hosting them (J&J) for free, but it seems like a possibility.

With the dedserv, we can now offer solid web hosting at decent prices and still make a few $ (not piles, but a small steady stream with minimal cost/effort for us; that's the way to get back in the black IMHO). Best way to go is probably to bundle hosting in with design, i.e. we come up with some packages at various prices, B can do the artwork and I'll do the layout.

I'm not sure what they'd need in the way of e-commerce, since most of what folks are selling is one-off type stuff, but who knows.

Ideas solicited at this point; we'll work out details later.

(Haven't had a chance to do anything with ETP yet.)

Thanks,

N.

N., it sounds like the way we've talked about going and why would you assume we wouldn't be working together? You know something I don't on the matter?

B.