2002-10-25 SvsG emails

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03:55 from Bubba

Message-ID: <3DB8F8F8.60007spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:55:36 -0400
From: "Lynne G." <lynnespam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
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To: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Third Renewal Notice from BulkRegister.com]
References: <3DB68E80.9040203spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom> <3DB6BC0E.4020905spam@spamvbzspam.spamnet> <3DB8A870.4090502spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>

N., First I must say EWWWWW!, How Rebecca of you! Why the major energy in such a hostile way? Is Livia on your ass about back child support and you needed to vent so you could feel like you were in control of something by shitting on me about $12? Damn dude. I really can't believe you'd say spending $12 of the monies in the account generated by my labors as well as yours would be "Floating me" anything. Seems like it's be a simple line item and since you see the balance increasing and more to come in behind that, it'd be a very small gesture on your part to just go ahead and reup the domain. It would have taken less time and energy to pay it, say you paid it and were figuring it into the mix. It would have generated some tranquility in your business partners life by letting him know you had his back for $12, since he did help put the $ in the account. Seems like it would have been "Regardless of monies owed, my friends sanity is more important than $12 since he is endeavoring to persevere with the betterment of my reality as one of his goals and there's really enough in the account since we didn't spend any on the LB order".

I've taken a lot of the flak over it being your shit to deal w/@ RH and working to buffer the onslaught by labors not my responsibility as well as posing a defense to shield you from shit and you wanna wanker over $12.

Pay the damn $12 already, we're making money!

B.

04:49 from Bubba

Notes

This message was almost identical to the first; I'm guessing that Bubba didn't realize he had actually sent the first version.

Message

Message-ID: <3DB905AB.3050100spam@spamvbzspam.spamnet>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:49:47 -0400
From: Bubba <b-2020-09-30-14:44-spam@vbzspam.net>
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To: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>, "Lynne G." <lynnespam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Third Renewal Notice from BulkRegister.com]
References: <3DB68E80.9040203spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom> <3DB6BC0E.4020905spam@spamvbzspam.spamnet> <3DB8A870.4090502spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>

N., why the major energy in such a hostile way? Did you just need to vent about something? It feels like you just needed to fee like you were in control for a minute by shitting on me about $12. I really can't believe you'd say that spending $12 of the monies I helped to put in the account would be "Floating me" anything. Seems it'd be a simple line item and since you see the balance increasing with more to follow right behind that, it'd be a very small gesture and amount on your part to just go ahead and reup the domain (since you know I need it), say you paid it and you were figgering it into the mix. It would have generated some tranquility in your business partners life by letting him know that his partner had his back for $12 and since we didn't spend the $ on LB there's more than enough.

I'm working it in to help at RH to diffuse shit aimed in your direction, and you're wankering about $12 while the balance climbs.

Pay the damn thing already.

B.

09:32 from Nick

Notes

"Thassa whattam doin'" is "That's what I'm doing" spoken in a kind of accent that Bubba often used.

Message

Message-ID: <3DB947DC.4060004spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:32:12 -0400
From: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
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To: team-2020-09-30-14:44-spam@vbzspam.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Third Renewal Notice from BulkRegister.com]
References: <3DB68E80.9040203spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom><3DB6BC0E.4020905spam@spamvbzspam.spamnet>

<3DB8A870.4090502spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom><3DB8F8F8.60007spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>


You said I should feel free to say what I think. Thassa whattam doin'.

I figured your response would be something like this. I sent a reasonable request to put $12 in before you take $12 out. It wasn't hostile; more like "I thought I'd explained all this before". (If there's any hostility, it comes from knowing from experience that I will invariably get an argument whenever I put my boundaries someplace you don't want them, and it's becoming a sore point.)

Yes, the balance is increasing (positively), but it's still quite negative -- as I explained in my email. What part of "you owe me" do you not understand? I'm bending over backwards to be reasonable by not insisting that it _all_ be paid back before I'd consider paying the $12.

Put another way: When it comes to money, y'all sometimes seem like small children fighting over toys. "Here's a red one for you and a blue one for you." "But I want a blue one!" "Joey, can I give your brother the blue one and I'll give you the red one instead?" "NOOO! Dat's MYY blue!!" "<sigh> Ok, here -- I've got another red one for you." "Hey, dat's no fair! He's got TWO!!!" "Ok, then here's a blue one for you, so you each have one red and one blue." "NOOO! I want a RED one like HE'S got!!!"

Fact 1: Measured since June 1, money has gone out for RDA expenses and much less has come back in than went out.

Fact 2: We're in a better situation than we were 3 weeks ago, but things are still tight. $12 might or might not be the difference between a positive balance and a negative balance, if something unexpected came through... and if I felt confident that it wouldn't make that difference (and that the balance were, in fact, safely positive), there are already Red House domains I'm putting off renewing, not to mention other small expenses. In other words, even if that $12 is available, it's already spoken for many times over.

Fact 3: Red House funds are not RDA funds.

In other words: there are only so many toys; I've given you a lot of mine because you said you needed them, and now you're saying it's no fair because I've still got some left and you need more.

Or, put still a different way: Don't push my buttons. Asking me to loan you more money is one of them.

Or, put yet another way: why is it suddenly my responsibility to pay your bills? I took care of your domain renewals before when I had enough cash to go around (and later, when I didn't really have enough) because for some reason I thought you were going to pay me back -- like, soon, like within a month or so. Not many months later. Not years later. And certainly not acting like it never happened, and asking for more.

Actually, it was more like an order -- "take care of this, you must owe it to us because we've been working hard." Who was it actually _did_ most of the inventory, finally, making possible those recent sales? How much inventory have you done since I left? How much of the stuff which was going to be shipped on Monday has actually gotten shipped (today being Friday)?

I've already played the part of covering you when you were having a hard time, because I still had some trust that there would be reciprocity -- you would pay back what RH had lent so that RH would have its operating funds intact (and so that when there _were_ funds to disburse, they would be actual cash instead of just going to pay back debt). Instead, what I hear is some kind of squatter mentality -- "I've got it now, so it's mine, and what else have you got cuz I need more."

You're taking a lot of flak? From whom? Stop accepting it! That was one of my complaints about Livia; she would never tell Rebekah to talk to ME when R had issues about me. She would pass on things that R would say, but I couldn't respond without putting her in the middle (which didn't work very well because of course she didn't really agree with my positions). And if I responded directly, it was inappropriate because it wasn't my conversation.

I never asked you to put yourself in the middle. If someone's putting pressure on you and you decide not to comply, be sure that your stand is for your own reasons. Say only what you believe, and not what you think Nick might say if asked. It's much easier to be right about your own reasons than about someone else's.

(And for the record, at the moment I'm pretty much totally ignoring the child support issue except insofar as I'm considering challenging it; any payments will come out of my own earnings if at all -- _not_ from RH profits.)

Sincerely,

N.

16:17 from Nick

Notes

Not sure what caused the turnaround here, but I'd guess that we had a verbal conversation in which Bubba agreed to deposit $12 which would probably show up in the online accounting several days later. Note that there does not seem to be a $12 deposit anytime during the remainder of the year in the 2002 Accounting; this might mean that I never included it, but more likely (as I was paying closer attention to the accounting by this time) Bubba never deposited the promised $12. A double-check of the bank statement from this period would be a good idea, however.

Message

Message-ID: <3DB9A6CB.6050502spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:17:15 -0400
From: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020611
To: team-2020-09-30-14:44-spam@vbzspam.net
Subject: domain(s)

redistribution.org has been renewed. Will be looking for $12 deposit early next week. I also renewed thejandj.com... I will try and put together a bill / offer for them. Suggestions welcome.

Please note that redistributionalternative.org has not been renewed, along with 2 or 3 variants of the J&J domain.

Thanks,

N.