2002-11-17 SvsG emails

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18:58 from Nick

Notes

The Robert Fripp link is no longer good, and archive.org didn't have the appropriate entry archived. However, the complete diary entry (2002-04-08) is quoted here. The diary entry was apparently based on an earlier (1999-03-24) article by Fripp, Business Aims.

Message

BCC: tigger-2020-09-26-11:04-spam@redhousespam.com, [redacted]
Message-ID: <3DD7D5A6.2020900spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:45:10 -0500
From: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016
To: team-2020-09-26-11:04-spam@vbzspam.net
Subject: Relevant quote

From Robert Fripp's online diary at [ http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml ]:

RF wrote

A company which would rather conduct its business:

  • verbally (particularly with regard to disputed issues) instead of committing its views to writing;
  • commonly resorts to litigation, or employs the frequent threat of such;
  • employs gagging clauses as standard policy;
  • pays its directors highly disproportionate sums in comparison with its employees;

this company is suspect and should be avoided wherever possible.

It is a sad commentary on current business and public life that this needs to be written, or debated.

end quote

Points 1, 2, and 3 seemed especially relevant to certain recent debates.

N.

21:12 from Bubba

Notes

For the record, my point in sending it was this:

  • point 1: the Grievers repeatedly avoided putting anything substantial in writing as regards business arrangements and especially when such matters became disputed. Lynne had recently, as of this email, dismissed my request to put all financial figurings in writing (which were certainly a matter of dispute), and such dismissal was an ongoing theme.
  • point 2: When Lynne wanted more time to move out of Red House, she threatened to take legal action against Livia. A proper course of action would have been to ask me to ask her for more time, or at most to plead their case to Livia.
  • point 3: they made it clear that they were not happy with my attempts to discuss with others our business dealings; see, for example, repeated references to the "peanut gallery", and a very early reference to showing Livia that I knew how to whip the servants (or some such).

Bubba's reply is dismissive, irrelevant, and devoid of substance except for his almost-denial of point #1.

I should have replied and raised all of these points at the time, but I was too angry, depressed, and busy to do so coherently.

Message

Message-ID: <3DD84C9E.7060903spam@spamvbzspam.spamnet>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:12:46 -0500
From: Bubba <b-2020-09-26-11:04-spam@vbzspam.net>
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To: "N. Staddon" <nspam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>
Subject: Re: Relevant quote
References: <3DD7D5A6.2020900spam@spamredhousespam.spamcom>

N. Staddon wrote:

From Robert Fripp's online diary at [ http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml ]:

RF wrote

A company which would rather conduct its business:

  • verbally (particularly with regard to disputed issues) instead of committing its views to writing;
  • commonly resorts to litigation, or employs the frequent threat of such;
  • employs gagging clauses as standard policy;
  • pays its directors highly disproportionate sums in comparison with its employees;

this company is suspect and should be avoided wherever possible.

It is a sad commentary on current business and public life that this needs to be written, or debated.

end quote

Points 1, 2, and 3 seemed especially relevant to certain recent debates.

N.

N., it was the author that thought it needed to be written, saying that it's sad that it had to be written. Did it really need to be written or is that just his opinion too?

He speaks as a prophet. "All that conduct business w/o writing everything down are evil and must be purged" by order of the Fripp!

We'll not yoke with a non-Frippite. "Non-Frippites can never be rehabilitated, so they must be sent to Cleveland, Ohio and systematically eliminated".

What color robe will you be dawning, crimson?

Praising The Fripp in Athens,........I'm Bahb Haaji, VBZ News.

>Cut to commercial<

Yeah in a setting of purported activity like this he's right, and I think he's not talking about us. To my knowledge I've never done any of this.

Point 1 Nothing in writing - Never said I wouldn't or that company/my personal policy shouldn't.

Point 2 Litgation or Threat of such - Are you suing me or threatening to sue me?

Point 3 Gagging Policy - How is this relevant?

What was your point in sending it?

B.